It wasnt that we saw corruption in our church. Pastor James teaching seemed so Biblical. The people of the church are those we feel we can trust and love. * 36But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. Thank you for your story Dr. Lina, and thank you for shedding light on your fears, and your full confidence in the Lord at the end of the day. Horrified. Ive never been able to foster the same level of trust and thats the residual I wrestle with. Did you see the link to my web page. wounded by wolves in sheeps clothing. Such a good post Lina. 2023 RELEVANT Media Group, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Constantly made to feel stupid, the youth had had enough so the mom called a meeting with the pastor. And, at the same time, I know you to be a humble woman, easily impacted by negative, feedback. This comment to Harvest and James is your opinion and you have every right to it. I will be praying for you , too, Lina. Looking back over my life I see how all things have led to today. When we try to protect those in power instead of those who are hurting, we are not doing the work of God. Two years ago, MacDonald moved away from overseeing the Harvest Bible Fellowship, a global network of churches, which eventually separated from Harvest completely to form the Great Commission Collective (GCC). We are thankful and humbled by His care and protection of our family. Our cold hearts lack love that shows the world we are His. Churches should switch to a different model that is biblically aligned. who we really love. Vicki Stevenson, I have not read your blogs for some time but the Holy Spirit caused me to stop and read this post. Thank you for teaching even in the midst of giving your testimony. How you hit the nail on the head! Lina, It was not supposed to be that way. I have seen this in many independent churches.THIs was done to me at a similar setting.The pastor One of things his way or the highway and there was no disagreement because he said it was leading to anarchy. BTW, Ive loved your blogs in the morning, but cant read the Twitter ones because I am not on Twitter. Im not on FB, so I didnt see your post where you extended an invitation to us to meet with you again. Thanks for writing this, Lina. Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. When a person is afraid of the reaction of their pastor or preacher it is time to move on. I dont see anything mean in her commentary. But often they require speaking up when injustice is done. I have great empathy and sensitivity toward them. Now, the church has decided its longtime leader wont be coming back. While tens of thousands flocked to campus, school officials met in a storage closet to make decisions that would honor what is happening.. Hannibal Harvest Bible Church (EIN# 862793399) is an tax exempt organization filed with Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Im also going to sign up for LWP. The day I watched the video, I emailed my campus pastor and asked for an explanation. This was encouraging to read and I hope others take it to heart. I am excited for all God is doing in your life to help other women get closer in their relationship with Jesus. Im replying after reading just your first few paragraphs. I wont make that mistake again. I am delighted to hear that. I believe you are mistaken. I am sorry that you experienced this fear. Todays Christians are weak and show Satan how powerful he is when their own Church is faced with trouble. Walked out of that service. First, they resigned, along with a third elder (who was not excommunicated only because he also left Harvest and was no longer a member), in protest of how the church was being run. Maybe you were called in front of the elders and asked to rewrite because thats horrendous theology and an awful way to be an ambassador for the Gospel. 3. 2. But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning. SHERI PINE. Precept Inductive Bible Study for Women. The more I think about the demise of Harvest Bible Chapel and James MacDonald, the more I believe that fear is the cancer at the root of it all specifically the fear of James MacDonald. That, it seems, was what it took to finally break his hold over his current elder board; to finally convince the elders that they were wrong to keep listening to his excuses. Harvest numbers 13,000 attendees across seven locations, and the church began affiliating with the Southern Baptist Convention in 2015. Lina, Did you realize elders and pastors are personally apologizing g to people? Finances: Giving not Tithing. Thanks again, Lina, for being courageous in the midst of these difficult days. Again I dont blame James MacDonald. I also trust that you did seek wisdom from the Lord on what and how to speak into this. He spoke highly of you, and since then, I have occasionally prayed for you regarding your time and experience at HBC. We did not want to cause a split or damage the cause of Christ, so we quietly left. These three men had then joined six other former eldersthese men had all left Harvest entirelyin writing and sending a letter to the current elder board raising concerns about MacDonalds leadership. May the love of Jesus Christ and his peace flood over you this day! My first two books were scheduled to be released smack in the middle of that summer, and I didnt want to impact their potential not to mention that James had agreed to write the forward on my first book.. Gods heart, over and over again, is for those who are oppressed. The congregation has been deceived, lied to, and hounded to give sacrificially, all the while the senior pastor has been making hundreds of thousands of dollars. The pastor also gets $1.2 million and a parcel of property in Crystal Lake, Illinois, as well the ministrys equipment, books, and digital resources, the church announced this week. I thank you for your willingness to risk being misunderstood while offering your experience to help reduce the shame of others, who need a hand to hold, as they work through their own healing. After he was treated and had surgery he was totally different person: quick to get angry all the time, control freak, and mean.there are things that we dont know. Thank you for this post. Her princes within her are like wolves tearing the prey, by shedding blood and destroying lives in order to get dishonest gain. As one person whom MacDonald led to the Lord remarked to me, Its like finding out your wife is a serial killer. The disillusionment, betrayal, and loss can be excruciating. Many were kicked out and shown the door. Thank you, Lord, for Ephesians 6:13: No shame here for Lina. Do elder boards mean anything, or are they just there to look pretty? Torn between right and wrong. Thank goodness God is still God! How long will we wait to begin the healing process within ourselves and between each other? While regret cant look back, we now live in a different era than we did four years ago. He just got into the worlds standards for a preacher. The controversial founder and former pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel is barred from serving as pastor or elder of the popular evangelical Christian church ever again after an investigation. Prayer works as we understand to be HIS humble servants. Pray for those of us who donate 10 percent of our income and would like to know where the money really goes. Persecution is supposed to come from the world with the devil behind it, as Jesus said. I volunteer in the childrens ministry and the youth ministry as well, pouring into children and youth. My mom, who doesnt attend HBC, says that the church is going to die because James was the bread and butter. When the Church becomes the organization instead of the people, then it ceases to be the Church. A year or so before leaving Harvest I had written a blog post about holiness in which I had referenced the growing fad of tattoos in our culture. I just want you to know that what you did at HBC mattered, and your presence is greatly missed. for what its worth, the timing of the writing is His perfect timing. I am so glad Lina has spoken up. The kindest thing one can do is to cut out and expose the cancer to death. Then came Roys story, MacDonalds decision to sue Roys and the bloggers behind The Elephants Debt (presumably rubber stamped by the current elder board), and the realization that discovery would mean everything coming out. 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I am staying because with all the faults in the organization, the people of Harvest are my family. The evil at Harvest is a nasty stage four cancer yet has invaded the entire body. Not everyone is so blessed, and for those of you who have left HBC and have had to find a new local church, there are healthy ones out there. People in leadership are there one day, and then poof! While only a handful showed up, the range of their pain was wide. Plus Lina Abujamra on Why She Left Harvest Bible Chapel | Wondering Eagle, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall BCNN1 WP, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall Urban Christian News, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall BCNN2, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall | BCNN1 Black Christian News Network, From Mars Hill to Harvest: Hope for a Wounded Church Bible Talk. Dont stand in the middle, dont seek to mediate. You take feed back to heart and you use it as growth points. Harvest responded by suing both bloggers, their wives, and Julie Roys. God has been known to use even a donkey and a false pagan prophet to speak His word. A friend sent a link showing a video of a former Willow pastors return to that church to speak after leaving a decade ago for similar reasons as you left Harvest. Its by an unbeliever, but wow, is it eye-opening. DIRECTIONS & INFO | . Im so sorry, and Im sorry for the comments here that are going to be painful for you. Attempts to reconcile the situation failed due to the pastor believing he had done nothing wrong. Even if the criticism in the letter had been unwarranted, this response is a huge red warning sign. Like in Ezekiel, many people are trying to sound the trumpet of warning!! And you will not lose true friends and sisters in Christ. Be blessed. The news came less than a week after another update from Julie Roys, a defendant in the lawsuit and the writer responsible for the World investigation, who has continued to release evidence against MacDonald and call for his resignation. And I find it odd that someone would have an opinion on that. What she shared was the kindest message I have ever seen. Ross, Ross, You do not know if she fasted or not, nor do you know if the Lord Himself brought her to this revelation. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, and nothing hidden that will not be made known. He is angry that they keep on sending texts and emails asking for money. Its hard no impossible- to do everything with the right motivation. Then, he was fired, according to the Daily Herald, a suburban Chicago newspaper. However, 2 of the groups meet in Panera Bread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISjXhWUyGi0&list=PLud2nIxx0IAT58I8QPBdfrOz8bFMQQcd6&index=4&t=0s. Its so very difficult but This is Gods battle and I only need to be obedient not the fixer. When I asked questions at the Harvest I attended I was told to be careful what I read on the internet. I think the congregation who asks these questions should know that I pray for them. Until then, you are still a wolf in sheeps clothing. now James McDonald. I still had friends on the inside that I longed to remain friends with. Stephanie Martin, a freelance writer and editor in Denver, has spent her entire 30-year journalism career in Christian publishing. Therefore Lina did what God moved her to do in His Boldness and Courage, being fear had silenced her. In his remarks this week, he says he confessed his relational failings multiple times, but still lost longtime friends and ministry partners to Harvests narrative. For a great many, it's time for the cult of personality of James MacDonald at Harvest chapter to close and the actual Bible to be opened again., Today on his edgy radio show, Muller said while he felt MacDonalds firing had to happen, he also had wanted nothing to do with any of it and now my part is done., I feel like God was using me in this, he said. A new believer has lost faith because of the shameful behavior of HBC leadership and all you can say is question the new believers truthfulness of his account? That timeline accelerated, when on Tuesday morning highly inappropriate recorded comments made by Pastor MacDonald were given to media and reported, the church wrote. Did you know that Satan and his minions come to Harvest? 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What would it take to convince an elder board to question its pastor? You are speaking the minds of the many who did not stand up to James as they felt at the time, based on fear of public shame, and damage to career, to stick their heads in the sand and not speak up. I will only say that if it is right and important to address a culture of fear within the church, it is equally important to address the same for our country. The fired senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel megachurch is contending, in a new lawsuit, that an attorney and accountants hired by the church took part in a "smear . Thank you for coming forward! Nicole, I am sorry if you are offended. [] While only a handful showed up, the range of their pain was wide. I grew up catholic and vever really got a hold of it all. You followed what God would have instructed you to handle this situation.you started by going to the leaders of the church for answers and none were given. There would be major issues involving James, followed by a carefully worded elder update or a carefully scripted announcement in church. Your daily news briefing from the editors of CT. I, like you, am so thankful for how God has worked in me and my family through the ministries at Harvestincluding the teaching and selfless service of Lina, and so many others (some who have left, and some who chose to stay). I hope that the cleansing and purification will come to Davenport as well. Because it is time for this cult to be exposed and she is telling her story. As happens in evangelicalism, Harvest effectively became its own denomination, with MacDonald at its head. @Donna Is it possible that it is God Himself who is exposing these misdeeds? Is the founding pastor subject to accountability structures? My daughter was also at that service when they showed the video. I lost the bulk of my community virtually overnight. When I left my job I stayed at HBC for about another year before leaving entirely. When the Church becomes the organization instead of the people, then it ceases to be the Church. Life goes on people repent and grace is for everyone. Saying he had hit a "wall of exhaustion" in June, Lead Ministry Pastor Greg Bradshaw said he is not only leaving Harvest, but also the ministry. It seems to me that theyve had years to repent and make things right. God help those who cant see their need to be set free or judge those whove found it in Christ Jesus. This is the right time as the judgment of God has come to his people. I didnt want to upset James. Well, that same year, my wife was hired as the childrens pastor at the church we had been volunteering at on Wednesday nights (because our church had nothing going on) and I myself have been ordained as a deacon and have even had the privilege to preach on a Sunday morning. I left Harvest CL 3 yrs ago after being forced out of a ministry and other thingspart of the membership indoctrinationyou are not allowed to say anything disparaging against church leadership or the church. However why now? I believe Yahweh has me where He wants me. I left Harvest about a year before you did, and I also stayed, for the most part, silent out of the same fear you described. I have wondered if Harvest Bible Chapel (the organization) is worth the cost its taken to try and save it? We too would pray and fast and seek the Lord as to what it was we could have done wrong as not one person from the church we had attended for years cared to find out where we were at. 1 Song. Is many people for years have tried to bring things to light privately. I believe you spoke up now to show how far reaching the powerful words and actions of those in authority goes. The culture of fear is real, soo much so I dont feel comfortable giving my name as some will know me. The pastor took the opportunity to lay into them and basically tell him that he was the one in the wrong. Not cool to kick people when they are down. In good conscience we walked away too knowing it was the right thing before God.So now I get your story, you were a favorite of Kathy and James so I am sure to take a stand against the injustice at Harvest was not at all an easy decision.So many other godly people got pushed out for speaking up about the entitlement and harshness of James and other Pastors and Elders.So very sad somewhere along the way they just forgot they are supposed to be shepherds and servant and not the guards defending the many sin issues at Harvest. Can Bubble Tea Bring Gen Z into the Chinese Church. In early 2018, reporter Julie Roys, who writes for the conservative evangelical WORLD Magazine, began conducting background research for an article, which was published eight months later under the headline Hard Times at Harvest. I never worked at Harvest under Pastor James, I never wrote a book, I never had any altercation with Pastor James, and never had a complaint about him. But I hope the healing can begin, and I hope the abuse will stop.. Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes: Its Not About Winning Football Games. Why now does not matter. I pray others in leadership read your post, check their hearts, and follow suit. God is sifting His church! Were they afraid? Harvest ousted Daniel Marquardt, Scott Phelps, and Barry Slabaugh in 2013 after they protested against . needless to say she did not go back and found a great church she was able to become a part of during her college years. Ken Morgan so you continue to deny the evidence for a creator by your superior intellect ? Biblical: submission to the Word in My Dream Church will be at a higher level MacDonald later admitted doing so but claimed it was all in good fun and misinterpreted. Harvest Bible Chapel has owned its mistakes and endured to become a happier and healthier church, whose members recently pledged financially, in their walk/work for Christ, and in their. Somehow I thought 2500+ members walking out would send the message. Voices heard together make a difference. We dont know if He will allow Harvest not to crumble. I thought something was off but had only my own suspicions to go on as we were told not to criticize. 12:18) as while working through this year-and-half-long process of transition. On Monday morning, an edited version with the sermon only will be available on the Sermons and Studies page. I really think you hit the nail on the head when you said you realized something dark about yourself, that you had been a woman ruled by fearand I could identify with what you said since I had been that woman too. Start praying for Jesus to heal the entire body of which He Alone is the Head. whos fault is this? Ive tried to cover everything in prayer but I dont feel God right now. Worship With Us. He clearly told me that they send out reminders to give. The collaboration of many witnesses should help the leadership at Harvest (or any church) know the depth of a problem. I can think of hundreds of small things, and some rather large ones, that Ive compromised myself for. Based on just the first few paragraphs, I hear you! And still some came because their loved ones and spouses have abandoned the faith completely and now refuse to go to church and they long to understand why. then the sermons and teaching were getting distorted and weird. Nellie, Updated 11/13/2020 7:31 PM. This post reminds me of something that happened at my former church. I have since moved on and seen God do some pretty amazing God-sized miracles in my life and ministry (evidently, God does work outside of the walls of Harvest Bible Chapel!). When God led me to leave HBC, I remember being so sad and afraid and wondering if I was hearing Him correctly. Not just Harvest Bible Chapel. Transparency in finances A Florida Lawyer Argues That a Pregnant Inmates Unborn Child Is Being Illegally Detained, Experts Predict the Ozone Layer Will Fully Heal Within 40 Years, The Biblical Reasons for Going Low Waste, The Spiritual Toll of Americas Food Waste Epidemic, The Buffalo Supermarket Shooter Has Been Sentenced to Life in Prison. Truth is healthy. Be kind not hurtful. Harvest womans Tuesday bible study group has not studied a book of the Bible in a couple of years. Others lied to me directly for selfish gain. Others, too, could see the attitude. I was there when Ted launched. For years, I kept believing the deception fed to the congregation by the elders. The Elephant's . It is finally the truth coming to light from his own actions and the people who protected him for years. I pray shes wrong. Following a lengthy season of review, reflection, and prayerful discussion, the Elders of Harvest Bible Chapel had determined that Pastor MacDonald should be removed from his role of Senior Pastor. Leaders should have secular jobs: As a former Muslim, I grew in my walk with GOD because Pastor James teachings from the GODs Word. 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I hope to become braver. Your sincere desire to move us further in our relationship with Jesus Christ. May God bless you for speaking truth and standing in the gap for those of us who dont have the circle of influence that you have. This is why Jesus did not come to this present church environment. My heart breaks for the people that have been hurt by this on both sides. The moment I read about someone saying something about planting child pornography on the Christianity Todaycomputers, I knew I had to figure out what the heck was going on. Im thankful you and so many others I know have left with dignity and after a bit of healing have jumped back into churches where they are serving the Lord with all their hearts using the gifts God has given them so faithfully. Faith is Christ living. Witnesses say MacDonald was angry that the photo was still on display. #justsaying #carryon, Youd have to read the blog. DONT defend these people in any way!! I did not fear God as much as I feared James and longed for his approval. see My Dream Church https://sites.google.com/site/mydreamchurch/. This journey has taken me several years. The elders were given a paper that laid out their duties, that mostly consisted of protecting, encouraging, and blessing the senior pastor. In Him, However, he ultimately agreed with the wave of backlash his pastor-friend now faced, condemning how MacDonalds drama had overshadowed Harvest and threatening a class-action lawsuit yesterday if MacDonald remained its pastor for another week. I do have cds and dvd of contemporary Christian artists. Wake up this tragedy has been in the works a long time. I am thankful for JESUS that used Pastor James in my life. Linas post is still available on other mediums, I imagine if she wanted to link it she would have. 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